[03:47:28] <+ComradePyro> "As I exhaled I became terribly afraid, my heart very rapid and strong, palms sweating. A terrible sense of dread and doom filled me -- I knew what was happening, I knew I couldn't stop it, but it was so devastating; I was being destroyed -- all that was familiar, all reference points, all identity -- all viciously shattered in a few seconds. I couldn't even mourn the loss -- there was no one left to do the mourning. Up, up, out, out, eyes closed, I am at the speed of light, expanding, expanding, expanding, faster and faster until I have become so large that I no longer exist -- my speed is so great that everything has come to a stop -- here I gaze upon the entire universe."
[03:47:37] <+ComradePyro> shulgin nailin' it
[03:48:03] <Adriaan224_> what is this about?
[03:48:26] <+ComradePyro> 100 mg of DMT, smoked
[03:48:31] <Adriaan224_> lol
[03:48:37] <Adriaan224_> isee...
[03:48:38] <+ComradePyro> I cannot recommend DMT enough
[03:48:56] <+ComradePyro> it's an eye opener for sure
[03:48:56] <Adriaan224_> DMT is what exactly?
[03:49:34] <+ComradePyro> n,n-dimethyltryptamine
[03:50:05] <+ComradePyro> I can't think of a succint moniker for it
[03:50:25] <+ComradePyro> all words fail the experience by the greatest imaginable margin
[03:50:45] <Adriaan224_> huh
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[03:51:09] <Adriaan224_> sounds kinda scary tbh, from that description
[03:51:16] <Adriaan224_> hey again alpha
[03:51:27] <+ComradePyro> it is terrifying
[03:51:28] * Alphagamer774 waves
[03:51:34] <+ComradePyro> but "terrifying" doesn't really apply
[03:51:43] <+ComradePyro> terrifying is only meaningful from a sober perspective
[03:51:49] <becquerele> eating bvacon covered in cheese and absolutely not giving a ♥♥♥♥
[03:51:49] <Adriaan224_> hmm
[03:51:58] <+ComradePyro> drugs tend to bring about new vocabularies
[03:51:59] <Adriaan224_> damnit bec
[03:52:03] <Adriaan224_> making me hungry
[03:52:12] <+ComradePyro> DMT requires a whole new language
[03:52:17] <+ComradePyro> normal language is post-thought
[03:52:22] <+ComradePyro> DMT is
[03:52:45] <+ComradePyro> *hits gong* and you listen to the sustain
[03:52:46] <+ComradePyro> forever
[03:53:15] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:53:42] <Fine> stop making it mystical
[03:54:04] <+ComradePyro> who said anything about it being mystical?
[03:54:07] <+ComradePyro> it's a drug
[03:54:38] <+ComradePyro> stop perceiving me as making it mystical
[03:55:02] <+ComradePyro> a terrible violence, asserting your lack of understanding as an assertion of mine
[03:55:50] <+ComradePyro> seems to me you meant to say "I don't understand and I object to this"
[03:56:29] <+ComradePyro> read a bunch of descriptions of DMT and then try it
[03:56:32] <+ComradePyro> see if you can do any better
[03:56:52] <+ComradePyro> what is color?
[03:56:54] <+ComradePyro> what is sound?
[03:57:00] <+ComradePyro> explain taste to a man with no tongue
[03:57:23] <Adriaan224_> we all have the same sensory organs though
[03:57:37] <+ComradePyro> and DMT has nothing to do with any of them
[03:58:33] <+ComradePyro> I've used the word "rainbow" as part of a description of something experienced during DMT
[03:58:49] <+ComradePyro> but color is a product of an interpretation of a signal from the eyes
[03:59:01] <+ComradePyro> and so color really had nothing to do with it, but it did
[03:59:18] <+ComradePyro> all colors and none and something else altogether
[03:59:24] <+ComradePyro> or, for short, "rainbow"
[03:59:31] <+ComradePyro> a shade of a shade of a shade of a description
[03:59:40] <+ComradePyro> stop explaining things I don't understand, it sounds mystical.
[03:59:44] <+ComradePyro> what hubris
[04:00:19] <+ComradePyro> ever watched a movie you really, really love with a friend who didn't like it that much?
[04:00:22] <+ComradePyro> sounds mystical
[04:01:39] <Adriaan224_> my butt sounds pretty mystical
[04:02:23] <+ComradePyro> if you want analytical, problem-solving language, I have to talk like this when discussing drugs in general, psychedelics specifically, and DMT even more specifically, because it changes your mental state so completely so as to render the usual words you use to relate experiences, which rely on a common understanding of a thing and an understood word symbol for that thing, irrelevant
[04:02:42] <+ComradePyro> explain color to a blind man
[04:02:56] <+ComradePyro> all I can do is make analogies
[04:03:11] <+ComradePyro> you will never understand any of them, but they can sound nice
[04:03:40] <+ComradePyro> mystical, sounds like "bah humbug"
[04:04:37] <Adriaan224_> yeah, i get what youre trying to say
[04:04:46] <+ComradePyro> if you've ever used marijuana it's an easy thing to grasp
[04:05:03] <+ComradePyro> nobody even tries to explain drunk, but I find people trying to explain high a lot
[04:05:46] <+ComradePyro> there are two definitions of mystical according to google
[04:05:54] <Adriaan224_> maybe because drunk is more common so there is less need for explanation
[04:05:59] <+ComradePyro> "inspiring a sense of spiritual mystery, awe, and fascination." is close
[04:06:04] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is a muddy word though
[04:06:09] <+ComradePyro> everything else is spot on
[04:06:18] <+ComradePyro> DMT is mystical
[04:06:24] <+ComradePyro> spiritual is relative though
[04:06:40] <+ComradePyro> the analytical mind desires rocks of axioms to extrapolate from
[04:06:54] <+ComradePyro> there are no axioms to be found, only subjective truths with few exceptions
[04:07:02] <+ComradePyro> nothing relates to everything
[04:07:09] <+ComradePyro> that's a double entendre
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[04:07:38] <+ComradePyro> oogy boogy you're cursed-a-woogy
[04:07:53] <+ComradePyro> communicate with aliens and angels and all sorts of entities, maaaaaaaan
[04:08:06] <Adriaan224_> ♥♥♥♥ yeah
[04:08:36] <+ComradePyro> electrochemical neural storm or spiritual antenna which is a smoky reflection of God, whtever that is
[04:08:38] <+ComradePyro> who knows
[04:08:47] <+ComradePyro> qualia exist, though
[04:08:54] <+ComradePyro> that much you can see, hee hee
[04:09:34] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "red" to a man blind since birth
[04:10:02] <+ComradePyro> the qualia of "*the sustained note of a gong*" to a man deaf since birth
[04:10:51] <+ComradePyro> Watts said, in a lecture, something along the lines of "There is no past, there is no future, there is only *gong and sustain for a few moments*, and we shant give it a name"
[04:10:54] <+ComradePyro> smart not to give it a name
[04:11:16] <+ComradePyro> symbols too often conflated with what they represent
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[04:12:09] <+ComradePyro> a man, having nearly burned to death, describes the intensity of the experience
[04:12:17] <+ComradePyro> "stop making it mystical" rings a cry from the audience
[04:12:33] <+ComradePyro> mouth stuffed with words, could be
[04:12:41] <+ComradePyro> man talks to himself in multiplayer notepad
[04:12:43] <+ComradePyro> alcohol, could be
[04:13:38] <+ComradePyro> fine you know many people think most human mysticism arose from psychedelic drugs
[04:13:47] <+ComradePyro> how then to make them not sound mystical if they caused mysticism
[04:14:35] <+ComradePyro> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... orized.jpg here is my mysticism
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[04:14:38] <+ComradePyro> pollen under SEM
[04:15:06] <+ComradePyro> http://i.imgur.com/I7K1TXn.jpg here as well
[04:15:11] <+ComradePyro> each point of light a billion suns
[04:15:22] <+ComradePyro> all above and below and in between, mystical
[04:15:37] <+ComradePyro> here, alive, awake, moving, yes
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